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Donna Holcombe
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 03:46: | |
I have a 10 year old son that is currently on medication for some combined disorders which include add and ocd but are not typical and are not being treated w/typical add meds. He is not hyperactive but does have problems with staying focused in school. He is also a perfectionist (ie. the ocd)He has had testing. we initially noticed this problem when he was in kindergarden. we went through the different meds. - concerta,stratera,adderal. None of these seemed to sustain him for very long.we also delt with anxiety and depression issues - we tried 2 different meds for this and he was also on zoloft for a period of time. At first each of these meds in there own way helped him for a while but never worked indefinately. At that point he went through some testing. Now he is taking abilify and providual(the latter is for sleep apnea - he was having major issues with staying awake in the morning in class but this is helping).Anyway, I really do not like having him on meds. and to tell you the trueth, other that helping him cope with his emotions, I really don't see that the meds. are doing that much for his other symptoms. I had a friend that said her son had had accupuncture and she felt it worked. Is it true that accupuncture can help with these types of problems? Please let me know. We have an accupuncturist in my town and if there is a chance that it will work, I'll definately make an appointment for him.
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 12:36: | |
It may work to some extent, especially if the practitioner will be able to discern some familiar pattern that responds to Ch. med. classical pathologies.
Along with that, I have had quite a success treating this line of disorders in children by sending them to learn martial arts. At the age of 10 he may be able to start (gently) with this type or another of eastern martial arts. That helps dramatically with focusing issues as well as discipline and other things. |
Lea Starck
Username: Lea
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 04:47: | |
I realize that this post was quite a while ago, but I was reading through it and am fascinated by the use of the anti-psychotic abilify in this case. I am more aware of its use in treating pschyzophrenia. It is worth noting too, that if you stop taking abilify it can lead to a severe, acute, opiate like withdrawal. This is a relatively new drug and few doctors are aware of this. It happened to my brother, as he went a few days between one prescription running out and the repeat being issued.
Did the doctors tell you why they had prescribed this? Did you find it had a good result?
Oh, it may also be worth noting that chinese medicine does recognize ADD like disorders, I have one text book that refers to it as "hyperkinetic syndrome of childhood" and I saw children being treated for it in China, although often they wouldnt necessarily be hyperactive, just have difficulty concentrating and perhaps accident prone. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 10:00: | |
quote:Oh, it may also be worth noting that chinese medicine does recognize ADD like disorders, I have one text book that refers to it as "hyperkinetic syndrome of childhood" and I saw children being treated for it in China, although often they wouldnt necessarily be hyperactive, just have difficulty concentrating and perhaps accident prone.
Can you please elaborate on this Lea?
This could be very interesting for many practitioners around here.
Thanks. |
Dr. Ved Prakash Banga
Username: Parkash
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 03:03: | |
Even than we can have an insight into these type of disorders.This disorder can be attributed to the excess yang wind energy,usually when any yang energy is excess its yin counterpart becomes defficient.
It therefore that matial arts or Indian yoga helps to such children.
As far as acupuncture is concerned we can plan by reducing yang wind i.e.reducing gallbladder wind energy and tonyfying the liver wind,This gives long lasting results.
Sujok Acupuncture is found to be more effective than classical Chinese Acupuncture in such children. |
Lea Starck
Username: Lea
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 03:28: | |
Unfortunately, I cant locate my case logbook from China, as I have a few interesting case studies from the paediatric department there. Weve just moved house and I have to find which box its in. I have a book with me here that describes hyperkinetic syndrome of childhood or "minimal brain dysfunction syndrome" (where do they come up with these names?) Which describes the symdrome as characterized by divided attention, hyperactivity, incoordination, difficulty in learning but normal mental ability in most cases, and describes the incidence as mostly in school age children, at about 5% to 10% and most commonly in boys rather than girls.
The chinese medicine Aetiology and pathogenesis are: 1. Congenital: Deficiency of essence leading to imbalanced yin and yang and zang fu dysfunction. (The book elaborates for a page or so) and 2. Acquired factor such as difficult delivery, anoxia, asphyxia, trauma and cerebral disease leading to injury to the channels and leading to stagnation of qi and or blood.
Also, the development of the disease has something related to the family, environment, education and diet.
The syndrome differentiation is as follows:
1.: Deficiency of yin leads to hyperactivity of yang due to deficiency of liver and kidney yin.
Main Sympt and SIgns: Emaciation, flushed face, dysphoria with feverish sensation in 5 centres. Distraction, hyperlogia and hyperactivity, restlessness and irritibility, sometimes enuresis, red and dry tongue with thin fur. wiry small and rapid pulse
Rx: Nourish yin, suppress yang and calm the mind.
Zuo Gui Wan, modified.
2: Floating yang acts recklessly due to qi deficiency of the heart and spleen.
main Symptoms and signs: Pale complexion, restlessness, changeable interests, divided attention, amnesia, dreaminess, stutter or problems in formation of phrases and sentences, redness on both sides and tip of the tongue with whitish coating, thready and feeble or thready and rapid pulse.
Rx: Noursih the ht. to calm the mind, tonify qi to restore wisdom.
Gui Pi Tang and Gan Mai Da Zao Tang.
3. Retention of damp heat phlegm in the interior:
Main S and S: Chest tightness, loss of appetite, thirst, red lips and foul breath, abundant expectoration and bitter taste in the mouth, constipation and yellow urine, hyperlogia and hyperactivity, spiritual laxity (?), changeable emotions, greasy and yellowish fur on tongue, smooth and rapid pulse.
Rx: Clear phlegm, clear fire and calm the mind.
Huang Lian Wen Dan Tang modified.
4: Un-nourished orofices due to the obstruction of channels due to blood stasis.
main S and S: Hyperkinetic symptoms, history of birth injury and intracranial haemorrhage, dark complexion, rage for nothing (sic), dark red tongue and uneven pulse.
Rx: Invigorate the blood by removing stasis, calm the mind and induce resuscitation.
Acupuncture: Calm the mind, calm the liver and suppress yang, regulate qi and relieve depression.
Main points: PC6, LR3, DU4, LI11.
Adjunct: DU20, Sishencong, PC7 for absentminded.
Anshen, Anmian, BL15 for overactivity.
DU24, Ren17, KI6 for restlessness.
Quick and deep insertion, after insertion tap Jiaji, Bl channel, Du channel with plum blossom needle until skin becomes red, once every 2 days. In older children, electro-acupuncture.
Auricular:Brain stem, subcortex and kidney.
Well, I know the acupuncture used in the hospital I was at in China was slightly different, they used some paediatric points, so I will have to dig my log book out.
Gotta go, my baby is crying and I dont think her dad is picking her up.
Regards, Lea. |
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