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Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 00:00: | |
Hello. Do you have a protocol to help heal scar tissue. It is from a tummy tuck 7 months ago and goes through many meridians. I wonder if it could be healed maybe energy would free up in the meridians which would be quite helpful as she has major edema among other symptoms. Thanks. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 09:54: | |
Sorry for the late reply Marji, I have been abroad for a while. I have somewhere in my database a whole article about this issue. If you are still interested, let me know and I'll Email you the article (if I can still find it...) |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2007 - 14:56: | |
Yes please if you can still find the article for scar treatment. The scar I feel is still a block to some treatments holding. That would be great. Thanks. |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 00:47: | |
The treatment that was taught to me was to use moxa on the scar tissue and needles on either side of the scar pointing in to the scar. I have also minimised scars tissue with vitamin E internally and externally. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 07:21: | |
Yes Jan. This is basically the idea of treating scar tissues. Besides acupuncture, there are many kinds of herbal ointments which are being used extensively in China for such problems, especially as close as possible to the onset of the scar. |
Anonymous
Username: Abdallah
Registered: N/A
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 16:47: | |
i had some good result with the same type of technique described by jan with surounding the scar with needle , could use alternating current at high frequency to diffuse the pain , and injection of 1 % lidocaine with traumeel solution is extremely effective , i had tried as a patient and physician . |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 18:07: | |
I had the privaledge to treat a lady who sustained a burn at the age of ten. She was close to 70 when I saw her. The treatment changed a hypertrophic scaring over the biceps to one which had the texture, almost of skin, but I could not get a good flow of qi into the arm with needles. I have no idea if it is possible to adequately restore proper qi function, but like always the sooner you move to return the tissue to proper function the better results can be expected from treatment. |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 03:45: | |
I did a scar treatment where her tummy tuck was. I used needles and moxa. One day later she had a urinary tract infection really bad. She says she never gets them. I heard that this could be caused from needling certain points where something was latent. The comment was they could get this infection. SOmething to do with the divergent channels. Any help to understand this and clear it would be much appreciated. Thanks for all the posts and help. |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 10:47: | |
Well you have done well. As I understand the situation, sometimes the body will isolate and encapsulate a pathogen, sometimes for years, decades or if the pathogen is persistent enough to penetrate the intracellular structures and become a genetic abnormality, so some thinkers think generations. The kidneys are the repository of ancestral energy, so this represents a big plus. You must have tonified the energy system to the point the body can mobilise deep seated pathogens. I once gave a 60 yo a treatment and the result was curly hair, which she lost when she had a bout of diptheria at the age of 4. So this paradigm is useful for clinical work. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 13:56: | |
Well... this could be it, but I doubt it. More often than not, such a phenomenon may happen due to inappropriate moxa administaration. Administering moxa on the lower abdomen, may shift the energetical balance of the lower Jiao to excess heat, which could result in a short bout of burning urination. A heat stimulation there, in medical terms, may stimulate certain micro-organisms situated in that area (a latent pathogen, as both of you have said) to become active again. This is not an easy thing to diagnose apriory. Needs a very good ear for the anamnesis story, as well as decisive palpation of the area.
When such thing happen (which is not a prevalent phenomenon), you need to quickly drain the area by dispersing needling, and cool the bladder and lower Jiao. 2-3 consecutive treatments usually solve the problem. And... no more moxa on the scar. Use needles and ointments massage.  |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 09:56: | |
Absolutely right. A few more details would make this assessment as to what happened a little more possible.
First let me say I have only been trained in 5 element acupuncture 30+ years ago. I can say I have had a lot of experience but am not ofay with the uptotheminute, fandangled energy conceptualisations.
This I will say without any equivocations. "Always use 5-element balancing" when finishing a deep treatment specifically targeted treatment.
Now having said that, what I would do next is very much dependent on the age of the client. Because she is a real person and you are a real practitioner and this is a very interesting forum, let's have some details and talk turkey.
PS: Tummy tuck I imagined it higher than the lower abdomen, but then that shows how ignorant of western surgical proceedures I am.
Oh yes I also believe acupuncture is for all ages and you have'nt finished treating them till they are dead and you are almost ;-). |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 22, 2007 - 18:31: | |
thanks for the help and willingness to share. Patient is away till the latter part of next week. I have had her using topical treatments with essential oils at home and had been massaging the area. Hopefully this last treatment opened up some blocked energy in the channels. Will take your advise Shmuel. |
Simon Light
Username: Simon
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 24, 2007 - 19:36: | |
Has there ever been clinical proof that moxa can "stimulate certain micro-organisms"? Doubt assails me. |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 09:42: | |
No. certainly not that moxa will stimulate the action of certain micro-organisms is not an option. It is definitely a latent phenomenon. Residulal from some other infection. Perhaps introduced in the original surgery???? If the person is young I would wait untill they recover and repeat the treatment that bought on the infection so that she has an opportunity to get the body working efficiently despite the mutilation again. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Monday, June 25, 2007 - 11:48: | |
What stimulates the action of micro-organisms in not the moxa per se, rather the heat that penetrates. It has been observed by many clinicians, not excluding myself, that inappropriate heating by moxa, may aggravate certain inflammatory conditions characterized by heat or damp-heat. A latent disease, characterized in Chinese as dormant heat or cold pathogens, may be re-activated, if you deliberately shift the energetic balance to one that encourages its activity. Therefore, it is contra-indicated to use moxa (or any other heat stimulation) where (or when) the existence of heat pathogens (latent or not) are suspected. If you still wish to accomplish a Qi invigorating outcome on a specific area, such as a scar tisuue, without the use of moxa, there are specific needle manipulations by hand that can do just that. E.g., a mild tonification with the technique of: "burning the mountain" and others. |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 15:33: | |
Saw patient who I did the scar tissue treatment. All is more than well. She is feeling for the first time in the area or the scar and she hasn't gotten the edema in her legs which she usually gets. I believe it was a law of cure the urinary tract infection. It went quickly through her body as she flew overseas that day and had an amazing time, happy, energetic, feeling wonderful!!! Yeah
Thanks for all the help!!! |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 14:37: | |
Shmuel, about the scar and Uti, you spoke about doing a treatment to release the heat. I am doing this. SHe says when she exercises the scar gets really red. Would that be heat trapped in that area? Should the cooling the bladder treatment also help that? |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 17:28: | |
When she exercises, the blood flow increases systemically. Areas of blood stasis, such as scar tissues that can be observed topically, seem to get red, or scarlet red, as they get congested being unable to disperse the blood efficiently - due to the stasis. When the stasis is severe, and the scar tissue remains congested for a long time, it may also generate heat due to the local pressure. This is probably not related to the UTI. |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 14:52: | |
Thanks for the info Shumuel. I appreciate it. Do you have any advice? The scar is only about a year old. For the blood statis would you go topically or internally with an herbal formula?
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 15:36: | |
Such scars are best dealt with right after their formation, usually by special ointments. After a year... it may be difficult to heal it thoroughly. Still, the best way to deal with it is by applying herbal ointments that quicken the blood and remove heat. This can be definitely aided by acupuncture. Encircling the Dragon technique http://www.acumedico.com/gangrene.htm and needling by dispersion of relevant points. Ointments may sometimes be available in Chinatown herbal shops, or other herbal shops. |
Marji Lee Pearson
Username: Marj
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 19:26: | |
thanks Shmuel,
I will take your advise. |
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