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Pam Jacobsohn
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 14:35: | |
Hello forum,
Chinese medicine maintains that low back pain and knee pain are symptoms of weak kidney Qi. Does anyone here can explain to me why and how pain in the back can signify weak kidneys?
Thanks, Pam.  |
Holmes
Username: Holmes
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 18:05: | |
In terms of 5 Element usage:
Water [K Yin] rules:
tissue - bone, marrow, joints, and therefore feet, knees and spine.
Weak K qi is almost synonymous with Weak K Yin.
UB channel in K Yin deficiency runs "empty", and invites Cold and Damp.
The sudden low back sprain is, even though presenting as a Full and Shi illness,
actually born of a K Yin Deficiency. A classical example of Empty masquarading as Full.
Although you have not asked this, a far more interesting conundrum is why did the K Yin Deficiency happen?
Possibilities are:
1. A Water on Water illness.
2. Metal mother not nourishing.
3. LV Wood son turning nasty and unfilial, and backing up into Water.
4. For some mad reason, Fire doing a somersault.
5. SP Earth Yin attacking.
The Nan-Ching spells out these in classical fashion in far more picturesque
parlance. The modus at 5. it calls "The Destroyer Evil". Almost certainly, the
pathology is this, and the real etiology of this kind of back pain a SP Yin Deficiency, leading to, as you will prefer it, a Ki Yin Deficiency, or a UB Excess, because
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 00:22: | |
 ...and another explanation, not necessarily from the 5-elements theoretical point of view. K. Qi may be deficient due to hard physical labor, birth giving, hormonal medications, excessive sex, excessive cold beverages and food, as well as many other reasons, according to Chinese medical theories. The kidneys rule the lower back, the spinal cord, and the bones in general. Being deficient in energy, the muscles and ligaments of the lower back (especially) lack nourishment of Qi and blood. This gives rise to pain, strained muscles and susceptibility to the invasion of the wind and cold pathogens. If the kidneys remain deficient for longer periods of time, also the bones (skeleton) gets undernourished by Qi and blood. This results in osteoporosis, arthritic disorders and weakness of the knees. The knee symptom for K. deficiency is therefore not pain but, rather, weakness of the knees and inability to stand on one's feet for a long time. |
Estuardo Gonzalez
Username: Shogunt
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Friday, July 05, 2013 - 23:11: | |
Dear Dr. Halevi,
I was realing your explanation and think it applies to my case:
I have a patient with knee pain, cold hand and feet palms and soles, some kind of pain and little deformation in the finger joints, high levels of creatinine and difficulty to flow urine (anuria).
This patient, had, four years ago a several heart attack and the treatment that he has been followed since then had consisted of too many pills (one for keep pressure levels, one as anticoaugulant etc…)
Can you please give me your advice and recommendations for this condition.
Thank You very much.
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2013 - 17:08: | |
Hi Shogunt, have you reached any Chinese diagnosis of your patient's condition yet? Creatinine and heart attack are good points for taking western pills... If you wish to give this patient an effective Chinese treatment there should be a diagnosis in TCM in order to give him an alternative treatment plan. Can you provide some data? |
Estuardo Gonzalez
Username: Shogunt
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 01:18: | |
Thank You Dr. Halevi.
In response to your question Dr. Halevi, we haven`t a TCM diagnostic.
Is possible that you can tell me what kind of data will be useful to begin treating? The patient wanted to stop taking pills...
Thank You very much. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 08:27: | |
How old is he and what is his worst or most tormenting symptom or complaint? |
Estuardo Gonzalez
Username: Shogunt
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Friday, July 12, 2013 - 16:39: | |
Dr. Halevi, he is 76 yrs old and by now hi is having trouble with the fluids retention. The Dr. said that he can not drink too much liquids because the heart attack he had years ago let his heart weak. For this reason, the kidneys don`t have enough energy to the fluids excretion and as a result, the high levels of creatinine... |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 05:50: | |
Sorry for the late reply to this. As a basic formula for this patient, I would suggest the following: B-22/23/39/40
Sp-6/9/Ren-3/Ren-4/6/ St-28 and G-27
This, if needle technique is good, usually have a general very good impact on kidney functioning and especially on urine flow. This type of treatment should be carried out at least 3 times a week until symptoms improve. |
Estuardo Gonzalez
Username: Shogunt
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 17:05: | |
Thank You very much Dr. Halevi, I apreciate your information. Just please, can you advice me, in the formula, which points have to be tonified and which ones have to be dispersed.
Again, Thank You Dr.
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 13:19: | |
All the points in gentle dispersion except for Ren-4/6 in tonification. B-23/22 - in combined technique. Please bear in mind that he is old and weak thus needle manipulations should be in accordance. |
Estuardo Gonzalez
Username: Shogunt
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2013 - 00:36: | |
Thank You very much Dr. Halevi.
I will post about the patient restoration.
Blessings and greetings. |
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