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James Johnson
Username: Jimmy
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 17:48: | |
I would greatly appreciate any guidelines for the appropriate points for treating my toe pain in both feet. Pain usually is present when toes are bent a certain way during walking.If I could visualize the way the pain travels in my toes, the best discription would be one of those lamps that displays those electrical charges through it.
Any advice would be greatfully helpful, in me changing this  to this |
Anonymous
Username: Jan
Registered: N/A
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 22:43: | |
Hi,
As with many forums the questioner needs to provide more infomation.
1. Which Toes.
2. Which way are they bent.
3. What sensation is there.
4. How does it behave to heat or cold.
Is the minimum info I need to be precise.
Jan. |
James Johnson
Username: Jimmy
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 09:22: | |
Hi,Anonymous
Thank you for replying.
I don't want to sound rude or ungreatful, however I believe my information was pretty explainatory.
1. Which toes? 3rd and 4th, both feet.(Mortons Neuroma)
2. Which way are toes bent. Pain when walking.
(Toes would be bent back)
3. What sensation is there. Visualizing the pain, the best description, would be one of those lamps or balls that displays electrical charges through it, for amusement. (Like several lighting bolts at the same time)
4. As for hot or cold? Then pain can occur at any temperture,(more often when cold) with or without shoes. And with all types of them. Casual, workboot, sneakers, slippers, even barefoot.
I'm pretty much, just looking for the acu-points I would need to remedy the pain.
Again, I apoligize if I sound too forward, but this is the best I can explain it.
I already know what it is, I just need to ease the pain.
Thanks again,
Jim |
Per Andersen
Username: Per
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 09:58: | |
Hi Jim!
Try to look for anny pain at the trigger point for Flexor hallucis longus and Flexor digitorum longus, you can see where to to find it at thise page: http://triggerpoints.net/userfiles/Flexr_Digitorum_&_Hallucis_Long.jpg
if you find anny pressure pain here, try to feel if the pain is radiating down your foot, if it does, thise is the point you are looking for.
Best wishes
Per Andersen |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 11:51: | |
1. Avoid petrochemicals in the choice of footwear.
2. Thank you for supplying the additional information.
3. The best point to change the underlying physiology of your condition in the toes is Chengjiang (JM 24). I assume you won't be using needles so stimulate this point three times daily using pressure for 2 months.
4. Report the changes that you experience and be prepared for further information.
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 18:15: | |
Unfortunately, if this diagnosis is confirmed, I am in doubt that distant points or trigger points will do the job, as my colleagues up above have suggested. Such a problem calls for a local dispersion of Qi and blood, in order to reduce the enlargement and inflammation associated with the nerves and tendons of the anatomical region. If people come to me with such a presentation, I usually apply needles to each of the Bafeng points, and use Li-4 and Sp-6 as general Qi mobilizing combination, in dispersion. Then, only if there is no evident heat manifestation of the dorsum of the foot and the small toes articulations, I apply moxa on the needle of the 3rd needle, until the heat penetrates deeply inside the foot.
I am in doubt Jimmy that you will be able to do such a self treatment, and less than this will probably be of not much significance. I therefore suggest that you find some experienced practitioner that will carry out this procedure for you. |
James Johnson
Username: Jimmy
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 18:35: | |
I greatly thank all, who have given advice.
I have been told that the sheathing that covers the tendons in my toes has degenerated, and had thought there might be a way to ease the pain so I could go back to my JKD classes.
I feel that Dr. Halevi's suggestion to locate a experienced practitioner is the best advice yet.
I refuse to let surgery be an option.
Again, thanks for the advice. |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 01:47: | |
Shmuel,
I have to come back to defend my choice. Agreed with your raison d'etre, impeccable. Chengjiang (RM 24) because of it's involvement in microcosmic circulation.
I'm sure you can see that this is definitely not a short term solution, but I think, an interesting one.
Jan. |
Per Andersen
Username: Per
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:01: | |
Dear Shmuel!
I do not agree with you in your opinion. I have treated severel people with that problem, and other food problems too with good results, just taking the triggerpoints. A little case: A woman had a major problem with inflamation in her food, and her doctor would give her a operation in the inflamated area. She got four treatments, two of them where I only used the triggerpoints, the two last one I incooperated earacupuncture for her lower back. The symptoms was inflamation in her food, but its couse was her back. She have not had any problems with her food since, and that is now three years ago.
I have to ask you Shmuel, do you only treat with TCM stricly and do you not think that anything else work?
Best regards
Per |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 11:52: | |
For your first question Per, in my opinion, a case of Morton's neuroma can not be cured by the mere use of distal or trigger points alone. For other foot and legs pain, as you have mentioned, especially those that are related to lower back problems, you are definitely right. As for your second question, I try to use whatever knowledge I have accumulated in 30 years of practice, in a given case, for the benefit of my patient. TCM happens to produce the fastest and best results, especially in acute cases involving pain, inflammation, cancer, etc. This is the reason it is the mainstream acupuncture in China for the last decade at least. This doesn't mean however, that I do not use the five-elements approach when it seems right, or other techniques and approaches. I even apply folk Arabic medicine to my patients when it seems right. During the year 1984 I have trained with the late Dr. Wu Wei Ping in Taipei, who was considered a master of the five-elements stream, wrote a book about it and trained the famous Western doctors who have brought this trend of acupuncture to the West. I am sure you have heard of him, at least I know that Jan did - did you not Jan ?
Did you know, both of you, that Dr. Ping used the TCM approach in more than 95 %(!) of his clinic ? Yet, whenever he was asked to elaborate and explain his method of healing, he would rightaway delve into the mysteries of the 5-elements philosophy... The next (Chinese) patient who came for immediate relief of his foot pain ( )however, would receive a 100% TCM treatment. I witnessed all this with my bare eyes.
A point to think about, eh..? |
Per Andersen
Username: Per
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 12:54: | |
Hi Shmuel!
Yes indeed TCM is working wonder when done the right way. I know you are a skilled person in TCM and I love to read your advises. But Shmuel I still want to tell you that I have treated severel people with that syndrom by using triggerpoints. Moton's neuroma is defined by a enlarged nerve in the food (two nerves is grown together). By releasing the pressure at the tight muscle you can calm down the inflamation and pain (and it works. But by the way I'll try to do it your way next time, becouse I like to learn and do things better, both for my patiens, but allso for me.
Best Regards
Per |
Anonymous
Username: Jan
Registered: N/A
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 07:33: | |
Toes 3 & 4 means that wood is affected. The direction of bending to produce pain indicates a deficient yin. The intensity of pain and it's effect on the patient's equilibrium means theat the enemy is invading the emperor's palace (fire organs.
The best points are CV-24, TE-5, GB-40, 41,- 4 no more than 4 needles to be used at any one session.
Shmuel, I like your approach, first garner the energy of the patient before making the necessary transformations.
I repect that enormously since I have seen too many acupuncturists use points that have absolutely no effect. No concept of preserving the Life force of the patient. No understanding of 5 Elements.
My view as expressed to a western master acupuncturist: I strongly believe that acupuncture should not be allowed to dissipate into a platform of self serving, and self seeking, but that the integrity of it's corpus within the understanding of the five elements should be maintained. Otherwise it makes little sense and does not have it's roots firmly established within the unity of Life itself.
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Toe pain : Possible Morton's Nuroma