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Paul
| | Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 16:33: | |
Hello forum members,
I remember reading somewhere about a special anti-tobacco point near PC-6. Any information about this point will be most welcome  |
Shmuel Halevi
Username: Admin
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 10:15: | |
Yes, Paul, there is such a point, but it is near L-7 Liechueh rather than P-6. It is located 1 cun distal to L-7, on the same line, right at the indent proximal to the styloid of the radius. Its name is Tianmei. I have not verified the usefulness of this symptomatic point, yet I read that other practitioners vouch for its wonderful efficacy. I am uploading a sketch to help you locate it..
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Pete Tok
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 17:26: | |
I think that also point CV-17 gives good results for tobacco addiction, especially if combined with the ear points. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 21:44: | |
I have used this point a few times and find that I get better results when the patient has pain when I press the point. I use it in conjunction with ear points and herbs and have had good results.
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Eric Waltemate D.C.
| | Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 18:02: | |
If the person doesn't really want to quit, no matter what you do he won't quit. My success rate is about 60% in treating smokers. Most smokers really don't want to quit and are looking for some "magic" to make them quit. Those who want to quit will usually drop their frequency of smoking by 50% after the first treatment and by the 5th are smoke free. I use Tian Mei, and the ear points: Shenmen, Pt Zero, Kidney, Lung, Mouth, Limbic system, Master Sensorial, and appetite control.
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Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 11:34: | |
Quite so Eric.
If you could spare the time and know how to do that technically, can you upload a sketch of the ear points image here? |
Eric Waltemate D.C.
| | Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 21:12: | |
Shmuel,
How do I upload the points onto the forum page? If you tell me how to do it I will gladly oblige.
Eric Waltemate D.C. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 10:50: | |
On the left panel you hit the link for formatting and you scroll down until you find the explanation how to upload an image to the forum. Just make sure Eric to reduce your JPG or BMP to a very small measure. You may download my image above to your deskop (the image of Tianmai) and copy its measurements to your own image of the ear. |
Eric Watlemate D.C.
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 20:39: | |
I still couldn't figure out how to get my image onto the forum. So the practitioners can go to www.yinyanghouse.com, on the upper left: click on auricular acupuncture, next page: scroll down and click on full ear graphic with most common points. The points should be there just look for them on the ear.
P.S. I am also going to send you (Dr. Shmuel) an e-mail with the points that I have on my computer so you can put these on your site. These may be copyrighted so you may have to alter them a bit. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 09:20: | |
I'll upload it for you Eric. Thanks for this contribution.
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Don Goldstein
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 17:23: | |
A local doctor charges 1750.00 for his smoking treatment.He uses ears ,body points and moxa that patients say leaves a purple residue.follow ups are 1250.00.He will not share his info.Can we gain insight as to a successful protocol to help smokers? |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 13:54: | |
Can't tell you about this specific dr. I personally don't think that anti smoking treatment without a stubborn determination to cease smoking will do any good. And, if there is such a determination, why not quit by yourself and save the money... |
Simon Light
Username: Simon
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 02:25: | |
Dear Dr Halevi, just a quick question: what does the name of the anti-smoking point mean? "Tian" I get, like, it means "heaven/heavenly", but "mei"? |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 14:15: | |
Have no idea Simon. Depends how it is written in Chinese. Tian can mean other things too.
Welcome to the forum. |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 19:27: | |
I've treated anti-smoking with the same treatment as asthma but with the strong moxibusion of Ren-17.
Can I share a story because it illustrates some serious points.
Patient in 50's presented with chronic asthma (before the days of CPOD). In one of his treatments I decided to show him something of the power of Acupuncture. So with his routine asthma treatment I did a strong moxa treatment of Ren-17. At next session he reproached me severely. After the treatment, he had got into his car and reached for a cigarette (he smoked incessantly) and lit it up with dire consequences. He simply could not smoke the cigarette because, as he described it, he felt completely revulsed and did nothing but cough and gag.
And this is where it went wrong - He decided, as he invoked my name in a torrent of abuse, to force himself to smoke that cigarette. It took him a number of cigarettes before he was back to enjoying them again.
In the literature Ren-17 should not be treated with more than 2 applications of moxa per session. I must admit I have needled it with an upward pointing insertion with excellent results.
Are there any other treatment protocols that have been associated with this point? |
Simon Light
Username: Simon
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 08:24: | |
Great story. Can I ask some questions?
You say you used Ren 17 as part of a treatment for asthma on this man. What were
the other points, or what kind of asthma did he have?
To see if I understand, are you saying that if you use enough moxa on Ren 17, it
will cause a rejection response to cigarettes? Sounds fantastic if this is so.
As for other protocols associated with Ren 17, what do you mean? Related only to
smoking or any other kind of condition?
Yours,
Simon |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 10:14: | |
Ren-17, despite the recommendation in some literature not to puncture, is used extensively nowadays in China, both in acupuncture and moxa. It yields very good results in all chest afflictions. Some years ago, a GP in Denmark has caused death to a patient while puncturing this point. He has probably inserted the needle too perpendicularly and punctured the heart. This is one of the very seldom fatal malpractice recorded in acupuncture practice in our era. Just make sure to puncture it correctly...  |
Jan Jedryka
Username: Jan
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 15:42: | |
Ye a great story, that's why I shared it with you. That vague question was really to elucidate any other experiences with Ren-17 and Tobacco Addiction. I can say that I was using Wu wei Pings work at the time. Co-4 would definitely been part of the formula and any other points indicated by pulse diagnosis. Shmuel's indications on his database are good. I know quality and integrity when I see it.
The vissitudes of time, distance, the odd burglary and a more recent house fire have wiped my practice out. I'm starting again, with my stories, my needles, the moxa and a couch.
That question was to elucidate any other people's experience with Ren-17 and antismoking. I believe that this is one of the most important points in the treatment of the smoking addiction, and I was hoping to see if there are any other experiences of it's use out there. |
Ophirb
Username: Ophir
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 14:37: | |
Dr. Halevi, do you know of another point further along LU meridian of the arm, that also helps quit smoking, somewhere between LU7 and LU5 ?
I heard about this but not sure about the location. I hope someone has an experience with it already. |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 21:03: | |
Between L-5 and L-7 is L-6...  and it is definitely helpful in the ntreatment of smoking addiction, especially in combination with Ren-17. |
Dr. Mehdi Hashemi
Username: Mehdi
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 19:19: | |
What is your experience in precise and correct needling of RN17 ? has laser (635nm) and moxa satisfactory results as well ? |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 12:32: | |
Ren-17 is an excellent point for chest pain of any etiology, respiratory problems including asthma, various breast diseases including mastitis and cancer, depression... and more. I have no idea about laser, but this point responds very well either to acupuncture or moxa or a combination of the both. |
Dr. Mehdi Hashemi
Username: Mehdi
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 13:23: | |
Dr Halevi,
What is your recommended technique for safe and effective needling of RN17 and SP21 ? |
Shmuel Halevi
| | Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 17:21: | |
Needling of both points need to be horizontal, along the bone. In Ren-17, needle tip in a proximal direction is usually for tonification of the upper jiao organs, while needling in a distal direction, in order to reverse an upward flow of Qi, such as in asthma, dyspnea or morning sickness. However, in cases that involve blood stasis, such as mastitis or tumors of the breast, needle tip is repeatedly redirected in a star like fashion, while manipulating the needle in dispersion. In the case of Sp-21, the patient is usually positioned on his/her side, and the needle is directed horizontally between the skin and the rib. |
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